WW2 aircraft

[carson1934]

Originally Posted by kiwimac

First glance I thought it might be a PZL P-1 but undercarriage is not quite right.

No kiwimac it isn't from eastern Europe
carson

[kiwimac]

hmmm, Back to the books.

[carson1934]

Originally Posted by kiwimac

hmmm, Back to the books.

Dear Kiwimac,
since this aircraft seems to give you a hard time may I suggest that you should follow the lead constituted by the serial (registration) number fairly well visible on the fuselage?
Cheers
carson

[Librarian]

In addition, my dear Mr. Kiwimac, one more highly useful clue will be the Italian sentence "Monoplano monomotore da addestramento."

[kiwimac]

I did not notice the sentence in Italian. Is it in the photo or are you just giving me a broad hint? I had also searched on the registration but perhaps I was not accurate enough with it. Is it the Ambrosini SAI.2

[carson1934]

Originally Posted by kiwimac

I did not notice the sentence in Italian. Is it in the photo or are you just giving me a broad hint? I had also searched on the registration but perhaps I was not accurate enough with it. Is it the Ambrosini SAI.2

Hi Kiwimac,
I'll give you some important clues:
- it was built in 1928 designed by Ing.C.Pallavicino
- it won the first aerial tour of Italy (Premier tour aérien d'Italie) in 1930
- it had a variety of engines both radial and in-line
I'm sure the above will prove instrumental.
BTW it isn't the Ambrosini SAI2
Cheers
carson

[wingsofwrath]

Ah yes. Your mystery aeroplane is none other than the Breda 15, designed in 1928 by Cesare Pallavicino.

http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace...-15-31979.aspx

It's true I'd never seen this aircraft with this powerplant before, but the undercarriage and window arrangement are dead giveaways.

Later edit: Unfortunately, the mystery I had lined up is none other than the PWS33 "Wyzel" posted by Mr Librarian on page 46, ( A pity I missed it when it was first posted, it would have made for an easy identification) so It will take a bit until I can find another suitably obscure one...

[carson1934]

Originally Posted by wingsofwrath

Ah yes. Your mystery aeroplane is none other than the Breda 15, designed in 1928 by Cesare Pallavicino.

http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace...-15-31979.aspx

It's true I'd never seen this aircraft with this powerplant before, but the undercarriage and window arrangement are dead giveaways.

Later edit: Unfortunately, the mystery I had lined up is none other than the PWS33 "Wyzel" posted by Mr Librarian on page 46, ( A pity I missed it when it was first posted, it would have made for an easy identification) so It will take a bit until I can find another suitably obscure one...

Yes dear Wingsofwrath it is indeed the Breda 15 and exactly the Breda 15/S. What makes identification of this particular a/c pretty tricky is the fact that she was supplied with no less than four different types of engines, some of them radial and some of them in line therefore the nose of the aircraft differs rather substantially from one type to the other.
The ball is in your half therefore shoot!
Omnia vincit constantia
Cheers
carson

[wingsofwrath]

Allow me to kindly disagree on that, my dear Mr Carson - with the wealth of information you kindly provided us (nationality, name of designer, exact production date, engine power, in addition to the serial already visible in the photograph) identification by way of Google would have been a mere child's play, even if I hadn't been acquainted with the type.

In any case, I hope you will find this week's enigma at least a bit interesting:



PS: I might be wrong, since I haven't used my meagre knowledge of Latin since high school, but shouldn't that be "Constantia vincit omnia"?

[carson1934]

Originally Posted by wingsofwrath

Allow me to kindly disagree on that, my dear Mr Carson - with the wealth of information you kindly provided us (nationality, name of designer, exact production date, engine power, in addition to the serial already visible in the photograph) identification by way of Google would have been a mere child's play, even if I hadn't been acquainted with the type.

In any case, I hope you will find this week's enigma at least a bit interesting:



PS: I might be wrong, since I haven't used my meagre knowledge of Latin since high school, but shouldn't that be "Constantia vincit omnia"?

Yes my dear Wingsofwrath I admit I was a bit generous in supplying data for my previous mystery plane which I did to be quite honest to stir up the forum...anyway let's now concentrate on your mystery plane which I for the time being do not know
Concerning the latin sentence you could obviously write "Constantia vincit omnia" which is however a bit of "latinus grossus". May I remind you of the famous Virgil's stanza "Omnia vincit amor".
Cheers
carson

It looks japanese (Yokosuka family) a captured bird...am I off track?

[wingsofwrath]

My dear Mr Carson, I am at liberty to say that the aircraft pictured does not hail from the Land of the Rising Sun.

My knowledge of Latin are indeed sketchier than I imagined, and, at least in this case, were supplanted with knowledge derived from my own native tongue.
Since mine is language which, like other Romance languages, is primarily based upon the vernacular forms of Latin in terms of topic and grammar rules, it is only natural that I should find the literary form "unfamiliar".

As far is Virgil is concerned however, I must confess that while I am acquainted with the latter's work, I could never muster enough lexical prowess to read them in the original.

[carson1934]

My dear Wingsofwrath
thanks for your prompt reply
Indeed my knowledge of latin is getting thinner and thinner although in my young years I used to translate with little help from dictionary Ovidio and Cicero.
I'm sure all in all that your knowledge of latin is better than mine although our dear Mr.Librarian is indeed an unbeatable latinist.

Now going back to your latest mystery aircraft I think we have to deal here with a Northrop N-3PB and probably with a plane sold or leased to Norway hence no US markings.
I'm looking forward hearing from you (as they say in polite commercial English)
Salve
carson
I'm taking the liberty of enclosing a pic to substantiate my offer

[wingsofwrath]

Very good job, Mr Carson!

The mystery airplane was indeed the above pictured beast, and , as you correctly surmised, it is wearing Norwegian Markings.

That being said, I do believe it is your turn to post an offer, a fact that I anticipate with glee.

[carson1934]

Originally Posted by wingsofwrath

Very good job, Mr Carson!

The mystery airplane was indeed the above pictured beast, and , as you correctly surmised, it is wearing Norwegian Markings.

That being said, I do believe it is your turn to post an offer, a fact that I anticipate with glee.

Thanks for confirming Mr. Wingsofwrath I'll think of something to submit within the weekend...
Cheers till then
carson

[carson1934]

Gentlemen
may I abuse of your patience and submit following offer from which it ensues that the mystery object is a trainer from the States
I'm sure it will prove very easy if not do not despair "non omnia possumus omnes"
Cheers and good luck
carson
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/9826/trainerj.png